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November 5th, 2004
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Completely worth reading: http://www.livejournal.com/users/dem_excelsior/29245.html#cutid1

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From:batratblue
Date:November 5th, 2004 09:24 pm (UTC)
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I'd really like to hear the other side of the story, as to suggest this man of lack of bias is ludicrous. How did he know that the people harrassing the line were 'Republican Operatives' rather than simply assholes who vote Republican? The phrase makes them sound like they were assigned to the task. How did he know every car in the parking lot was Republican? The unstated suggestion made is that all the disenfranchised voters were Kerry voters. Somehow I doubt that the distribution of votes between them was anything but reflective of the distribution in the populace that did vote.

Have you seen the photographs of the Manhattan voting site with the anti-war and anti-Bush propaganda on the walls quite literally right above the voting booths and the heads of voters?

No side is innocent here, but I believe most of these efforts have been the efforts of local assholes. There's no shadow conspiracy at work. Such things are far too easy to find and bring into the light of day.
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From:batratblue
Date:November 5th, 2004 09:26 pm (UTC)
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I will say I laud this person for dealing with all of this so handily. The comments about the other polling representatives 'hiding in the corner' are disgusting, if factual.
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From:ambar
Date:November 6th, 2004 01:51 am (UTC)
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Agree with you that I would like to see another side of the story (not "the" other side; there are as many sides as there were people present). Have not seen the photographs. That said, some of your questioning of his story sounds like you didn't read it closely. While I dislike this sort of argument, esp. as I descend to nitpickery, I have to poke at what you wrote at a few points.

every car in the parking lot

He didn't say "every"; you added that. As for how he knew, well, when I was going to cat shows regularly, I could go out to a full parking lot at noon and tell you which cars belonged to exhibitors and which to spectators with a fair degree of accuracy.

unstated suggestion

Actually, no, he came out and said "... which tend to vote Democratic". Not sure what point you're trying to make, since as an avowed Democrat, if he is helping to enable legitimate voters to exercise their franchise, isn't he _more_ noble for helping people regardless of what vote they intend to cast?

You may have skipped the comment thread (I wouldn't blame you), but someone did in fact ask him why there wouldn't be grounds for GOP legal action, and I thought he gave a reasonable answer (which included citing some known incidents of Democratic fraud).
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From:tuftears
Date:November 5th, 2004 09:25 pm (UTC)
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Wow indeed. O_o

I had hoped that our parties had more dignity than to stoop to measures like these. I so hope someone is getting out there and measuring exactly how much impact shennanigans like these had.
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From:ambar
Date:November 5th, 2004 10:41 pm (UTC)
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Agreed -- I'm not working under the illusion that this is novel (hell, I've read Heinlein). But for those of us who haven't yet gone wading in the sewer ourselves, it's an eye-opener.
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From:tuftears
Date:November 5th, 2004 11:02 pm (UTC)
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They may be old but that doesn't make them acceptable. And I can't help but wonder if they were especially prevalent this year too, with feelings running so hot. For instance, there was that Diebold fellow quoted as saying he'd do his best to swing the election Bush's way.

Kudos to your father for doing his part to put a stop to such practices! (I assume that's what he was doing)
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From:tuftears
Date:November 5th, 2004 11:58 pm (UTC)
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They fired the CEO of Diebold? And this news article is troubling. Though I've never looked at this news site before, I found it on GoogleNews when trying to find if there was any follow-up to the Diebold situation.

Let's hope more people in charge of elections decide to follow your father's example rather than Diebold's.
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From:ambar
Date:November 6th, 2004 01:58 am (UTC)
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http://www.diebold.com/aboutus/ataglance/default.htm#employees does still list Walden W O'Dell as chairman, president, and CEO.
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From:batratblue
Date:November 6th, 2004 02:14 am (UTC)
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Oh, I guarantee you people are. Many of them aren't waiting for numbers to scream and tear their hair, of course.

Have you seen these pictures from a voting center in Manhattan?

So far beyond both what is inappropriate and what is illegal.
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